Jordan: For our 100th post Scott, on this momentous occasion, I say we go a little Back and Forth. Shall we? 100 posts really has me pumped, considering were this little blog started just a month and a half ago. But what also gets me pumped is a little college hoops discussion. Everyone knows the two best conferences in college basketball are the Big East and the ACC. But which is better? We're both Big East alums and fans, but I've gotta go ACC here.
Scott: Well before I get fully involved, knee deep in proving how wrong you are (again?), let me say it's been a fun century.
J: It has. Certainly has.
S: Come on dude, how can you honestly tell me the Big East isn't better than the ACC? Let's look at the Top-25 first, OK?
J: Go ahead.
S: OK. I'm going to give your "North Carolina Division" some props. Much needed. 1 and 2 in the country. Great job.
J: Thank you.
S: But, outside of that, only two others are in the Top 25. My conference (should I say, our conference before you became a Benedict Arnold) has eight. EIGHT!
J: True. But as I eat my Eggs Benedict while debating you this morning, here's why the ACC is better. The Big East is bigger, and has more teams available to be ranked in the Top 25. Second, when you have the top TWO teams in the country, (Wake Forest, home of your idol Tim Duncan, and Duke) and you have a team in North Carolina which currently is ranked 5th but everyone and their mother thought might go undefeated this year, the cream of the crop is in the ACC. The Big East has a lot of good teams, but the ACC's best are better than the Big East's best.
S: Maybe so. But here's the flaw: Sure, Pittsburgh was upset already from their number one spot. But your darling Demon Deacons were dropped last night too. So you can kiss that number one ranking good-bye.
J: True. But when your Hoya Saxas went down to old Cameron Indoor Stadium for a classic Big East/ACC match-up, what happened? The Dukies slapped them slapped them in the mug.
S: Kind of like when the "and their mother" UNC squad got handled by Boston College on their own floor, no?
J: BC is in the ACC, pal.
S: Ok, so?
J: So it means that a team at the bottom of the conference is still good enough to beat the best in the conference, showcasing its depth. I doubt Jerry Wainwright's DePaul Blue Demons would come within twenty points of Marquette, Louisville, UConn or Pitt. Same goes for your Rutgers squad in lovely Piscataway, or Bobby Gonzo's Seton Hall club.
S: Clever reasoning. I like you.
J: I like you too.
S: Yet the same could be twisted to say the opposite. The bottom tier squads in the ACC can beat the so-called best team any night, showcasing that the teams at the top really aren't as great as everyone thinks. It's a matter of perception, clearly.
J: Yes sir.
S: Don't penalize those top teams in the Big East because the conference is too big.
J: I'm not, but you and I both watch a lot of Big East basketball. While the top teams are very good, do you see any particular Big East team as a favorite for the Final Four? I see some teams I think are certainly talented enough to get there, but not one that seems like a lock. In the ACC Carolina and the Dukies both look like Final Four teams the way they're playing this season. Not to mention Wake, which despite their loss, was the last team in the country to drop a game. And, when Carolina played Notre Dame (in the Maui Invitational) they beat them by 15 points. The only thing the Big East is leading the ACC (besides number of ranked teams) is the number of family members who have charged the court.
S: I don't know. I think this year in college basketball is so wide open, I wouldn't be shocked to see either of those two teams making the Final Four, nor would I be surprised to see a team like Pitt or UConn make it. So as far as the Final Four talk is concerned, I think we're a bit premature. In fairness, it's not even February yet, so March talk seems a bit soon, no?
J: It's never too early for that. Just ask Joe Lunardi. He's had "bracketology" out since probably August.
S: Anyway, in depth, we've got you.
J: That point is true, yes.
S: Top heavy, maybe the ACC is. Maybe. But the Big East is a better conference on the whole.
J: But I say you judge a conference by its best.
S: But here's the thing, as of a week or so ago, the Big East had the top team in the land. And both conferences still have four teams in the top ten.
J: True enough. But so far, in the limited head to head match-ups, the ACC has the edge. And at this point, numbers one, two and five.
S: No denying that. But the head to heads are too limited. I discount those because of where the games were played and the sample size. Let's see Duke play in DC or UNC play in South Bend. You are obviously well aware of how big of a difference home court is in college basketball.
J: No question. But I think these teams are good enough to win on the road in the Big East. Unless they play as well on the road as our Syracuse Orange. Then the Big East wins big.
S: Had Syracuse beaten Pitt, I think I'd have a better argument.
J: Yes, but we could never be so lucky. You know that.
S: No. I'm well aware of that. It would have knocked Pittsburgh off the top, but SU would be higher up. Maybe even top 5.
J: Yes, but oh well. Let's let our readers decide.
S: This should be interesting. A lot of our readers didn't go to ACC or Big East schools, so I'm interested to read what they have to say.